Host: Susan Finch

I heard Aaron Grando drop the term "pretotypes" on Leader Generation this morning and had to hit pause. Three minutes in, I realized I'd been vibe coding for months without knowing there was a name for it.
But pretotypes? That's when I knew I had to get him on the show immediately.
We're talking about taking your stream-of-consciousness ideas and building working drafts before you've even figured out what you want. For business owners doing $0.5 to 10 million a year, this isn't just another tech trend—it's the shift that stops you from waiting weeks for simple prototypes.
Aaron's VP of Creative Innovation at Mod Op, and in this spontaneous follow-up to his Leader Generation episode, we dig into what vibe coding actually means for your bottom line and why small teams are suddenly punching way above their weight class.
Action items to consider that tie to this episode:
Immediate (This Week)
Identify your development bottlenecks - Where are you currently waiting on programmers or outsourced developers?
Try a simple test - Pick one small coding need and experiment with ChatGPT or Claude
Map your current process - Document how long it takes to go from idea to working prototype
Set prompt boundaries - Practice asking AI for logical, non-emotional responses
Short-term (Next 30 Days)
Assess team capabilities - Identify who on your team has enough coding background to effectively prompt AI tools
Start with pretotypes - Use AI to visualize one business idea before investing in full development
Test platform limitations - Use AI to check if your ideas are feasible within your current tech stack
Calculate current costs - Figure out what you're spending on development delays and outsourcing
Medium-term (Next 90 Days)
Build AI into your process - Make vibe coding part of your standard ideation workflow
Train your team - Get key team members comfortable with AI coding tools
Measure time savings - Track how much faster you can go from idea to testable concept
Expand use cases - Beyond coding, use AI for project planning, gap analysis, and cross-industry perspectives
Strategic (Next 6-12 Months)
Evaluate in-house vs. outsourcing - Determine if AI tools change your staffing strategy
Invest in the right tools - Move beyond free ChatGPT to specialized coding tools if volume justifies it
Create AI-enabled processes - Build systems that let AI agents handle routine business tasks
Develop competitive advantage - Use speed-to-market improvements to outmaneuver slower competitors
Key Questions to Ask Yourself
Before listening:
How long does it currently take us to go from business idea to working prototype?
What development tasks are we avoiding because they seem too time-intensive?
After listening:
What's the first idea I've been putting off that I could pretotype this week?
Who on my team could become our "conductor" for AI-assisted development?
What would it mean for our business if we could cut development time by 75%?
Resources Mentioned
Tools: ChatGPT, Claude, Cursor (coding-specific AI)
Concept: Pretotypes (pre-prototype visualization)
Original episode: Leader Generation Podcast - "Vibe Coding" episode with Aaron Grando Here is the episode on Leader Generation.
 
About Guest Aaron Grando:
Aaron Grando, VP, Creative Innovation on Mod Op's Innovation team, is a seasoned technologist with over 15 years of experience at creative agencies. With a background in strategy, design, engineering, and marketing, Aaron has worked extensively in industries like media, entertainment, gaming, food & beverage, fashion, and technology. At Mod Op, Aaron leads efforts to integrate AI into creative processes, creating tools that connect creatives and clients with insights, spark ideas, and enable new brand experiences. Projects include collaborations with companies like NBCUniversal, Bethesda Softworks, Under Armour, Planet Fitness, Dietz & Watson, and more, focusing on infusing creative strategies with innovative technology to create cutting-edge brand experiences. 

In this episode, Susan Finch and Lany Sullivan revisit a topic we can’t stress enough: branded email addresses. Using Gmail, Yahoo, or even AOL for business? You’re losing trust before the conversation starts. We dig into real examples, onboarding requirements, offboarding protocols, and the risk of letting your team operate with inconsistent or unprotected emails. Your email isn’t just a communication tool—it’s your brand's handshake.
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Listen, nod, then take action.

Susan sits down with former team member Karen Mares, Content Creator at Event Builder, who serves as her company's "marketing anchor" as she navigates the evolving landscape of AI tools.
Karen shares her journey from initial concerns about AI replacing her writing role to developing a strategic workflow where she remains firmly in control. You'll discover how she has combined multiple AI platforms—each serving distinct purposes in her content creation process—while ensuring that her human expertise, voice, and judgment remain the guiding force.
For marketing leaders seeking practical ways to integrate AI without compromising authenticity, Karen offers invaluable insights: training AI tools in your company's voice, identifying and eliminating phrases that give away AI, and creating approval processes that maintain compliance standards. Her approach has significantly accelerated content production while preserving the quality and distinctiveness that only a skilled human writer can deliver.
Whether you're just beginning to explore AI tools or looking to refine your existing processes, this conversation provides a blueprint for keeping the human element central while leveraging AI's capabilities to expand your content reach and impact.
Join us to learn how to stay firmly at the helm while letting AI help power your content journey forward.
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We're continuing our exploration of effective marketing strategies with the experts from iHeartRadio. In our first segment, we discovered how radio remains 'America's Trusted Companion' and explored the powerful geofencing capabilities that can target potential customers with remarkable precision.
Now, we're shifting focus to the strategic side - how businesses of all sizes can effectively incorporate audio marketing into their overall strategy, even with limited budgets. Julie and Kevin share valuable insights on the psychology behind effective advertising, the multiplier effect of audio on other marketing channels, and practical approaches to campaign timing that maximize impact without breaking the bank. Let's rejoin the conversation as they break down the differences between host-read ads and generic spots, and reveal how audio fits into a comprehensive marketing strategy.
This episode could have also been called:
The Host-Read Advantage: Building Trust Through Strategic Audio Marketing"
"The Marketing Multiplier Effect: How Audio Amplifies Your Entire Strategy"
"Strategic Audio Campaigns: Maximizing Impact on Any Budget"
"Beyond Digital: Using Radio and Podcasts to Boost Your Marketing ROI"
"Marketing Funnel Mastery: How Audio Drives Results at Every Stage"
"The Flighting Strategy: Smart Seasonal Campaigns for Year-Round Impact"
"Audio Marketing Psychology: Why Radio and Podcasts Create Deeper Connections"

Real estate brokers searching for an edge are discovering what radio professionals have known all along – radio remains 'America's Trusted Companion' even in our digital age. This special segment of Rooted in Revenue brings you face-to-face with iHeartRadio experts Julie Beaulieu and Kevin Cash, who share surprising insights about radio's continued growth and its unique ability to build community trust.
Learn how their advanced geofencing technology lets you precisely target potential clients – from specific neighborhoods to competitors' open houses – creating opportunities traditional digital marketing misses. You'll understand why radio creates deeper connections with listeners and how this translates directly into brand credibility for real estate professionals.
Whether you're running a boutique agency or a larger brokerage, discover practical strategies to incorporate radio into your marketing mix without stretching your budget. This conversation might completely change how you think about connecting with future clients and positioning your brand in the competitive real estate landscape.

Imagine Dolly Parton’s Jolene. Now, imagine Miley Cyrus singing it. It's the same song and the same lyrics—but they feel completely different, right? That’s exactly how typefaces work.
A typeface sets the tone before a single word is read. It tells your audience who you are—before they even realize it. And whether your brand feels classic and trustworthy like Dolly’s Jolene or bold and modern like Miley’s version depends on the choices you make in your typography.”
Today, we’re diving into the world of fonts, branding, and first impressions. We’ll break down:
The difference between a typeface and a font (spoiler: Jolene analogy included 🎶).
Serif vs. sans serif and why your logo doesn’t need to match your website font—but should still make sense together.
Why your brand’s typography needs to be readable, tiny, embroidered, or even on a highway sign (because, trust me, it matters).
And, most importantly, what your font choices say about your brand—before your audience reads a single word.
💡 And hey, if you’re near a logo, a sign, or a package right now, take a look—what does its typeface say to you?

Which task management and marketing strategy tools should you use? Spoiler alert—it’s not as simple as picking the most popular software.
Susan and Lany dive into the importance of discernment when selecting tools, sharing real-world experiences of software frustration, integration challenges, and team buy-in struggles. They emphasize the need to evaluate your team’s workflow, test software with real scenarios, and demand proper support before making a costly commitment.
They explore why businesses often waste time and money on tools that don’t fit—and how you can avoid making the same mistake. If you've ever been frustrated with tools you chose in a rush, including ClickUp, Asana, Monday, or any other platform, this episode is for you.
And tell us—what software works for you, and how did you decide? Maybe we’ll feature your success story in a future episode!
BIG TAKEAWAY - the best tools are the ones your team will actually use.
Your Tech Tool Selection Checklist
✅ Assess Your Needs First
Identify the specific problems you're trying to solve.
List the must-have and nice-to-have features.
Consider how many people will use the tool and their technical comfort level.
✅ Understand Your Workflow
Map out your team's daily tasks and processes before selecting a tool.
Identify which departments or roles will need access.
Determine if you’ll need client access or external collaboration features.
✅ Check for Scalability
Will this tool grow with your business?
Does it support additional users, automations, and integrations as you scale?
Does it work across devices (desktop, mobile, tablet)?
✅ Demo and Test Before Committing
Sign up for free trials and load real projects into the system.
Get feedback from your team on usability.
Request a live demo from the company and ask tough questions about features and limitations.
✅ Read Reviews & Compare Support
Check user reviews on G2, Capterra, or Trustpilot for pros/cons.
Look for YouTube tutorials and real-world use cases.
Investigate customer support availability—do they offer live chat, phone support, or only email?
Find out if you’ll have to pay for support separately.
✅ Evaluate Integration & Compatibility
Ensure the tool integrates with your existing software stack (CRM, email marketing, accounting, etc.).
Check Zapier, Make, or native API capabilities if integration is needed.
Ask: Will this create extra manual work or streamline processes?
✅ Plan for Onboarding & Training
Will your team actually use it, or will they resist?
Look for built-in tutorials and learning resources from the software provider.
Create internal training videos & SOPs to ease adoption.
✅ Budget Beyond Subscription Costs
Factor in costs for setup, training, integrations, and ongoing support.
Beware of hidden fees (e.g., per-user pricing, premium support, add-ons).
If switching from another tool, budget for migration costs and downtime.
✅ Make a Decision—Then Reevaluate
Choose the best-fit option based on functionality, ease of use, and ROI.
Reevaluate in 3-6 months to ensure adoption and effectiveness.
Be willing to pivot if the tool isn’t delivering as expected.

Are your social posts starting to feel stale? Are you spending hours creating fresh content when you already have a goldmine of valuable material gathering digital dust? Stop the endless content creation cycle. Strategic content management isn't about constantly generating new material—it's about maximizing the value of your existing expertise and insights.
In this episode, we cover building and maintaining an effective content bank that transforms your valuable insights into a reusable asset library. Learn why random posts about office pets and foodie highlights aren't part of your content strategy - unless you are in that industry, and discover how to create a systematic approach to content that directly ties to your business goals and mission.
For those frustrated with the constant demand for "fresh" content, we reveal why the same valuable message can and should be shared multiple times, reaching different audiences simultaneously. Plus, get practical insights on tracking engagement, managing client testimonials, and turning client transformations into compelling case studies demonstrating your expertise.
Whether you're a seasoned content creator or just starting to build your business's digital presence, this episode offers actionable strategies to work smarter, not harder, with your content management. Say goodbye to content chaos and hello to strategic repurposing that drives real business results.

Have you ever felt lost when managing your website’s domain? You’re not alone. Some tech professionals keep these concepts vague to maintain control over their clients. Let’s break down what you need to know and document to stay in control of your digital property. Remember, your domain for your company is YOURS. Do not let an outside contractor register a domain for you, even if they are trying to save time, money, etc. You need to create this login and invite them in to manage it. You never want to lose control of your domains. This short episode gives you an initial action list to take inventory of what you have, who has access, and when your domains renew.The next episode in this series will be about moving domains, testing your domains and SSL certificates.
This is tied to a course series Susan has available with free real estate broker focused tips emailed q-r.to/sfsreo8, and a paid workshop group. q-r.to/sf8weeks

Rediscovering your forgotten skills and experiences can be a game-changer for personal and professional growth. In this insightful episode of Rooted in Revenue, Lany and Susan dive deep into the importance of reflecting on your past accomplishments and leveraging them for future success. They share personal anecdotes, practical tips, and actionable strategies to help you uncover hidden talents and capitalize on your unique experiences.
We dare you to go through this list:
Reflect on past experiences and skills you may have forgotten about
Review old resumes and portfolios
Ask family, friends, and former colleagues about your strengths
Update your professional profiles and resumes regularly
Share stories about your past experiences and skills
Reconnect with old contacts and mentors
Create one-page case studies for your accomplishments
Record video or audio of yourself telling your stories
Identify pivotal moments in your life and career
Look back at all your jobs, even early ones, for valuable experiences
Share your reflections on social media and tag Lany and Susan

In this continuation of their discussion on managing your online presence, Lany and Susan hit you over the head with the importance of conducting thorough tech assessments and making informed decisions about your business software. They emphasize the value of consulting with experts before making significant changes to your tech stack and warn against common pitfalls like lifetime software subscriptions and poorly integrated tools.
Action Items:
Conduct a comprehensive tech assessment of your business
Review all software subscriptions and their actual usage
Avoid lifetime software subscriptions
Check software integration capabilities before purchasing
Set calendar reminders for subscription renewals
Research software reliability and developer support before committing
Utilize existing tools and services to their full potential
Consult with experts before making major tech changes or purchases
Regularly review and update your website and online presence
Be cautious of custom solutions that may create dependence on specific developers

Susan and Lany are fired up in this episode, tackling the infuriating world of tech blunders, compliance nightmares, and security fails that plague businesses. From email marketing mishaps to clickbait disasters, they're not holding back on the ways people unknowingly sabotage their operations. This is part one of their conversation, so prepare for some straight talk filled with cautionary tales and a healthy dose of 'what were they thinking?' Stay tuned for part two, where they'll continue their mission to save you from yourself in the tricky terrain of business tech. Remember, sometimes doing nothing is the best move – especially when it comes to messing with stuff you don't understand!
Action items (or inaction items):
Stop using personal Gmail accounts for business; set up Google Workspace instead.
Don't buy domains from cheap or suspicious sources.
Ensure your email marketing is compliant with new laws (as of February 2024).
Use secure file transfer methods for sensitive client information.
Be cautious of scams and verify legitimacy before giving out information or access.
Freeze your credit reports to protect your information.
Don't touch or change technical settings if you're not sure what you're doing.
Implement proper security measures and compliance procedures in your business.